Market Timing, Valuation, and Systematic Purchases
I have a lot of work to do but I’m sitting at my desk, the snow is on the ground outside, I have a fresh cup of coffee in front of me, and I don’t really feel like diving into my task list quite yet. This is going to be one of those more rambling posts; no real point, just me thinking out loud about some of the things I’ve encountered recently as it pertains to observing other people handling their investment management process.
I’ve mentioned it a few times in the past, both here and at Investing for Beginners, but really, there are only three ways most people build a portfolio: systematic purchases (or formula investing as it used to be called), valuation, and market timing. The first two have made a lot of people very rich. The last is a form of speculation that can’t be repeated indefinitely and often leads to wipeout (a single big blow up and you have to start over from scratch) though the temptation to do it, especially with other peoples’ money and leverage, is too strong for some to resist.
The short way to remember this is as follows:
- Systematic Purchases = Buy or sell methodically through regularly scheduled transactions regardless of market or economic conditions.
- Valuation = Buy or sell based upon the relationship between market price and the after-tax, inflation-adjusted, discounted free cash flows of the asset; e.g., with partial ownership of a company through common stocks, what it should be worth to a strategic buyer in a private transaction who planned on holding and operating it indefinitely.
- Market Timing = Buy or sell based upon whether you think a security will increase or decrease for any reason other than its valuation.
For most investors of relatively modest means, who don’t have a lot of complex needs such as wanting to protect assets from creditors or get around the estate tax limits, who have no interest in learning about business, finance, accounting, and portfolio management, systematic purchases are the best way to go. You setup a diversified portfolio that you regularly acquire over the years through thick and thin, staying the course during booms and busts because you have neither the experience, interest, nor time to do it yourself. An excellent example of this strategy is signing up for your 401(k) at work, picking a low-cost index fund, and maintaining your contributions no matter what happens to the stock or bond markets. Sure, you pay extraordinarily stupid prices for trash assets at the height of periods like 1999 but you also get a lot of really great quality for next to nothing during collapses such as 2009, the hope being that they will continue to offset each other in the future as they have in the past. Alternatively, another form of systematic purchases would be regularly putting several hundred dollars a month into multiple direct stock purchase plans so you end up with a portfolio of directly held blue chip companies pumping out ever-growing dividends. Many “millionaire next door” types are spawned this way. You hear about them when they pass away and their stealth fortunes are uncovered.
The next methodology, valuation, is ultimately the mean to which market prices revert. Regardless of what investors do in the short-term, valuation always wins on a broad basis over the long-term because reality can only be ignored for so long. It doesn’t matter how ebullient investors get during periods like the 1920’s or how despondent they grow during spans like 1973-1974, ultimately, the economic power of a business – and the cash it can produce for owners, who can then use that cash to expand their portfolio, go on vacation, buy new cars, renovate their homes, or put their kids through college – warps everything around it like gravity. It almost all comes down to owner earnings. People who focus on that metric can largely ignore quoted valuations entirely except as something to be taken advantage of when and if it suits them.
This is the reason that sophisticated, professional, and wealthy investors overwhelmingly tend to fall into the valuation camp. Done correctly, this is where the sustainable, outsized, multi-generational fortunes are accumulated and preserved. While the actual mechanics of valuation aren’t particularly difficult, there’s about a ten-year learning curve to truly master the necessary inputs, ranging from GAAP to tax regulations, corporate finance to industry-specific operational quirks.
There are many different sub-sets of value investing. I was able to reach financial independence at a young age in no small part by practicing a very specific, niche version I created by modifying and synthesizing, reworking, and introducing my own unique twists, on the works of people like Benjamin Graham, Philip Fisher, Peter Lynch, Christopher Browne, Charles Munger, and perhaps two dozen others. My own personal version of global, long-term, highly passive, tax-efficient value investing is not at all appropriate for a beginner or intermediate investor to attempt on his or her own but for the sake of explanation, it basically comes down to:
- A strong preference for passivity over what most people think of when they use the phrase “active management”. The sort of behavior demonstrated by the “investor” in this post is something that is anathema to me. There are some years when my turnover rate is lower than the major index funds; even times when it is quite literally zero, as in not a single position was sold. In the core portfolio, most turnover happens due to risk-adjustment and diversification needs. As a result, when turnover happens, it usually tends to come all at once and appear fairly substantial. At a sort of absolute minimum guideline, absent other considerations already discussed (portfolio needs such as diversification or risk management will always take precedence), I expect to hold the position I acquire for many, many years; perhaps even decades or until death. I enjoy long-term holding so much that I have my primary custody agent use a modified account statement template for me that shows the number of days each lot or each security has been held so I can specifically track it.
- A constant attention to tax efficiency through strategies like asset placement, the use of certain conservative derivative practices under specific circumstances, and an understanding of the tax code itself. It’s an intellectual thrill to me, like playing a real life game of Monopoly. I don’t understand how people can find it so boring because it’s no different from plotting in Civilization V or designing an urban grid in Cities Skylines. I spent some of my leisure reading last week analyzing how to structure purposely defective grantor trusts to take advantage of an IRS ruling that allows the donor to effectively pick up the tax bill for his or her beneficiaries, with the tax bill not being counted as an additional gift, resulting in the net consequence of moving more money out of the estate and into the hands of those beneficiaries than would otherwise be possible, while, at the same time, avoiding potential liquidity problems with carefully-crafted safety provisions given to a so-called “trust protector” who could operate as an escape hatch without causing the tax authorities to disqualify the trust … just because. I like having that sort of thing in my mental toolbox. Breaking it apart, understanding it, figuring out how it can be exploited … that, to me, is better than a John Grisham novel. Even writing this, it quite literally makes my pulse quicken. I enjoy optimizing outcomes and this is merely another variation of that. (If you want a simplified two-minute overview of how such a structure would work, Northern Trust has a good white paper on it, which you can read in this PDF.)
- A dedication to maintaining a reasonable cost structure, including custody fees, brokerage execution, and foreign currency transaction expenses. It should be said, in the final analysis, I practically never take the low bid when it comes to hiring advisors such as accountants, attorneys, etc. I’m more interested in getting it done right, and having the risk reduction in place, than I am my compounding rate. Protecting what I have takes precedence even if it means regularly opening the mail to find large bills.
- A heavy preference for the acquisition of higher quality operating assets that have certain characteristics or advantages protecting them from competition and technological changes while simultaneously causing them to generate excessive amounts of free cash flow relative to tangible invested capital. I’ll pay fair value for an asset like common shares of McCormick & Company over getting a 20% discount on an asset like common shares of Carnival Cruise Lines even if the latter may be a better short-term trade (though there are situations in which I may acquire the latter).
- A constant scrutiny of the structure; the terms on which I am acquiring or selling. There are times, and ways, to get assets through much more favorable arrangements that give you more upside, less downside, or even some de facto forms of leverage that don’t involve borrowing money. There are certain ways, under certain circumstances, to generate “enhancements” of sorts that can add a bit to the compounding rate.
- An ever-running series of questions that get applied to each holding, specifically, as well as the portfolio as a whole. What could go wrong? Is there permanent wipeout risk anywhere? If so, what are the probabilities of it manifesting? What countermeasures can be taken? What are my assumptions? What are the correlated risks, including correlated input costs? What are the political considerations? What could I do to make this portfolio safer on a long-term basis (as measured by after-tax, inflation-adjusted purchasing power increase not year-to-year quoted market value or nominal dollars)? If I viewed my portfolio as one giant company, what are the underlying economic characteristics – returns on capital, valuation, debt-to-equity, dividend growth rate, etc. relative to the stock market as a whole?
Our in-house valuation approach was and is essentially an extension of entrepreneurship in that Aaron and I think of ourselves as being in the business of acquiring risk-adjusted cash flows. Aside from moral and ethical considerations (you may decide you don’t want to own shares of a certain business regardless of the potential profit because you don’t want to engage in a specific type of conduct), it doesn’t much matter where or how those cash flows originate, be it ownership in businesses (publicly traded stocks, privately negotiated partnerships, or private equity), debt (bonds, directly underwritten mortgages, peer to peer loans), real estate (houses, apartments, office buildings, industrial warehouse, storage units), intellectual property (copyrights, patents, trademarks); it’s all the same. An after-tax, unrestricted free cash flow dollar is a dollar is a dollar.
The implications of this thought process – a dollar is a dollar is a dollar – are difficult to overstate. To put it more starkly, despite our preference for passivity, there is a limit at which the trade-offs, especially adjusted for deferred tax consequences, become too great to bear. If we entered some period of time where stocks were quoted at 50x core economic earning capacity and real estate was offering 10% cap rates, most of our personal net worth would end up in real estate depending on the length of time the situation persists and the efficiency with which I can make the allocation shift. (That’s not the case at the moment. We’ve come very close, several times, to seriously looking to acquire property in Southern California since there’s a decent chance that is where we end up long-term but I cannot accept the current absolute or relative returns compared to the risk because the only way it makes sense is if 1.) the investor utilizes borrowed funds rather than 100% equity, and 2.) we go into an inflationary environment, de facto reducing the purchasing power outlay future debt repayments represent rather than a Japanese style-deflation, which seems equally as probable; a bet that isn’t necessary with certain other, higher returning, more predictable assets at the moment such as shares of The Hershey Company. Despite its artificially high p/e due to some temporary accounting quirks, Hershey is sitting there, in plain sight, at a price that should almost guarantee (as much as one can be certain about these things in an uncertain world; crazy things happen, which is the reason diversification exists) double-digit total return for owners over the coming 25 years. Even if we go back into a 2005-2009 meltdown where the stock is at $40 tomorrow, it shouldn’t matter as time irons out the volatility. It’s so clearly in the “intelligent things to do” pile at the moment, why bother with an office building in Orange County? Of all the ways to get rich slowly, it is one of the least risky in the S&P 500 at present if an investor is willing and able to hold onto it like a pit bull even if we go into a full blown Great Depression tomorrow and the losses look horrific. Of course, if you run a mutual fund or hedge fund, you may not have investors who share your time horizon so you don’t buy it because you could lose your job. The whole system, twisted by incentives caused by investor irrationality and ignorance, is almost comical in its nonsensicality. Almost once a day, I come across something that makes me feel like I’m peering through the looking glass.
In other words, “buying profits and assets”, as I like to say, is really the gist of it. I want to sit at home and have money come in from all directions, at all hours of the day, without me having to go out and sell my time. It gives me freedom. (Yesterday was an excellent illustration. Aaron and I woke up, it was snowing, we stayed home, ate ice cream in our pajamas, watched a Korean drama, and only finally became productive around 3:30 p.m. when we wanted to get some work done – even then, it was largely spurred by the fact he had a hair appointment so I figured I might as well check items off my task list. Nobody can say anything about it. Nobody can fire us. It’s possible for us to behave this way, among other reasons, because while we were sitting by the fireplace laughing at the exploits of 오 마이 비너스, customers were shoving cash into the coffers of our private businesses; people around the world were drinking Johnnie Walker, snacking on Reese’s peanut butter cups, taking out student loans from Wells Fargo & Company, using the hydrocarbons drilled, refined, transported, and sold by ExxonMobil, picking out wedding rings at TIffany & Company, flavoring their food with McCormick spices, buying their insurance through GEICO, sipping on Coca-Cola, brushing their teeth with Colgate, negotiating the purchase of escalators, elevators, and jet engines from United Technologies, etc. Each year, we aim to use our cash flows to acquire more productive assets so more and more torrents of cash arrive without us having to do anything.)
How that is done depends upon the person. In his 1949 edition of The Intelligent Investor, Benjamin Graham observed that most investors, under most circumstances, (those he deemed “defensive investors” who weren’t professionals) shouldn’t worry about trying to get the best price:
It is far from certain that the typical investor should regularly hold off buying until low market levels appear, because this may involve a long wait, the loss of considerable dividend income, and the possible missing of investment opportunities. On the whole it may be better for the investor to do his stock buying whenever he has money to put in stocks, except when the general market level is higher than can be justified by well-established standards of value. If he wants to be shrewd he can look for the ever present bargain opportunities in individual securities.
History has proven he was right, especially for truly excellent businesses; stretch the ownership period out long enough and even the Nifty 50, which traded at utterly obscene valuations in the 1960s, ended up beating the S&P 500 a quarter-century later despite several bankruptcies of components, such as Eastman Kodak, along the way. Even such an occasional failure on the journey, the success of the survivors not only made up for it, but mercilessly crushed the competition. You can probably make an argument that, as long as you’re not dealing with a greater than 2% to 5% portfolio weighting and you truly, honestly, will hold for 25 years even if we go into a 1929-1933 catastrophe (which few people are emotionally or financially capable of doing), there is probably never a bad time to buy Coca-Cola or PepsiCo, Johnson & Johnson, Hershey, Procter & Gamble, Colgate-Palmolive, McCormick, and a handful of other businesses. With each passing year, you want to be like Rockefeller when asked how much he hoped to accumulate: “Just a little bit more”.
And, really, this was true for businesses as a whole, mediocre ones included, provided you were sufficiently diversified. Though the past is no guarantee of the present – it would be almost unthinkable given our cultural preference to destroy the entire Earth along with us through a nuclear holocaust were we to ever be attacked in a full-scale onslaught, but the United States could suffer some sort of catastrophic wipeout on par with the Austrian or Chinese stock markets in the 20th century wherein equity values essentially go to zero and the nation is conquered or obliterated – assuming life goes on as it has, there’s never been a single 25-year rolling period in the modern era where stocks haven’t generated a positive return for U.S. investors. To think that the future will somehow be different from the past requires explaining the reasons, especially given the enormous economic, political, cultural, and military advantages we have over so many other places on the planet.
As I’ve gotten older, there are times I’ll buy an excellent business at fair value simply to add to the permanent collection; certainly, with family member accounts, which I run far more conservatively than my own, such as the very personal explanation I gave for buying shares of Colgate-Palmolive in my father’s accounts. I run one of my brother’s accounts in a way that, were I to die, he is to immediately seal it and make no changes for the rest of his life. While I’m around to manage it, it is another pool of capital but I do it in a way that at any moment, without notice, it could become a so-called ghost ship or coffee can portfolio and do fine. In a very real way, I think of myself as a collector. Only, instead of things other Americans collect, such as decorative plates from The Franklin Mint, I collect cash flow. Sometimes, I really do pick up a bit of ownership, put it on the shelf, and say to myself, “You go there. I will watch you and enjoy you for the rest of my life.” even if it isn’t necessarily the highest returning asset on my desk at the moment.
Most of the time, for a vast majority of the dollar-weighted invested assets Aaron and I have accumulated, I behave more like a sniper or a Disney villain. Though it may seem comical, there’s a real parallel between a hunter waiting in the wild looking down the barrel of a long-rang weapon, Ursula plotting her takeover of the seas, and a value investor of our particular variety acquiring holdings. I’ve used the Ursula illustration before when discussing writing cash secured equity puts but it holds here, too, so let’s use it for the sake of illustration.
First, you identify what it is you want to own, valuing it using your knowledge of accounting rules, corporate finance, tax laws, and operating experience; identifying a probability range of earnings estimates under different scenarios which, then, allow you to say with a degree of relative certainty that a given price is likely to lead to your minimum satisfactory outcome or not. (This is partly what I refer to when I say I’m in the job of tilting, and exploiting, probabilities.) This process includes building models so you know how you’d want it to fit into your overall portfolio weighting for a risk/return analysis.
Then, you wait, plotting, bidding your time … your cash reserves grow, your dry powder accumulates.
At this point, it’s useful to once again paraphrase Benjamin Graham who observed, when addressing the enterprising investor serious about money management, that if you’re patient enough, you’ll usually (not always so be emotionally willing to let a few get away from you) get your price. Sometimes it happens suddenly without warning, like the crash in October of 1987, other times, it’s the result of a long, cold neglect, but the odds are okay that you’ll be able to get your hands on ownership at an outlay you consider reasonable. A business, piece of land, building, or copyright that you may have wanted to own for years is suddenly within striking distance of a level at which, if acquired, is almost certainly going to lead to good long-term results, especially on an overall-portfolio basis as it is merely one component in the bigger money-printing machine you are designing and constructing.
Finally it happens. You enter the bid. The counter-party, for reasons that are largely unknown to you – they could be facing a margin call, they could be selling off assets to pay for a new swimming pool, they could be liquidating an inheritance they received from a parent or grandparent, they could be raising funds to meet investor redemptions, they could be shorting the stock, they could be raising cash to open that dream restaurant they’ve always wanted to start – signs over their stock certificates, promissory notes, or other property, entitling you to the cash flows from the asset.
Triumphantly you grasp your equity: “You belong to me“.
Even if the world is falling apart around you and the economic maelstrom raging, you can’t help but rejoice. Your patience has paid off in the end. While you sat on the sidelines, mocked by the speculators who had treated assets like lottery tickets, paying whatever they “felt” its price should be rather than basing it on a cold, objective analysis of the numbers, now it’s your turn. If you’ve done your analysis correctly, someday the same fools who wanted nothing to do with the holding when it was temporarily unpopular will come banging down your door to try and buy it back once it is again en vogue. Meanwhile, you sit back and collect the cash flows, which should be sufficient to result in a satisfactory outcome even if you never sell the holding for the rest of your life. Frankly, that’s the preferred outcome. Up until you hit the estate tax exemption of $10,900,000 for a married couple, you quite literally want your heirs to take it from your cold, dead hands so they enjoy the stepped up cost basis loophole, which allows all of the capital gains taxes that would have been owed to be forgiven.
You, in other words, get richer by doing what Charlie Munger advocates: “Sit[ting] on your ass”. While a small contingent of investors may be able to value assets like an executive or professional, fewer are able to control their emotions and honor this commandment. I’ve talked about it in recent years – you get some minor 15% or 20% fluctuation and everyone suddenly acts like it’s a big deal. It’s not. Most of your holdings could very well increase or decrease peak-to-trough or visa versa by at least 33% every 36 months. That’s normal. If you buy a $100,000 block of some great business as part of a diversified portfolio, and you paid a good price for it, it shouldn’t cause even an eyebrow raise if you wake up to find it quoted at $67,000. If anyone tells you this is outside the realm of possibility – be it a financial advisor, portfolio manager, or friend – realize that you’re dealing with someone who is out of their depths. In a handful of specialty cases, such as the oil majors, much larger fluctuations are to be expected. If you own ExxonMobil over a 50 year period, you’re probably going to get obscenely rich from it but you’re going to find yourself down 50% or more from time to time. Though I’ve said it in the past, I don’t want you make light of what I’m about to tell you: Deal with it. It is part and parcel of the process. If you can’t accept it, that’s fine – you don’t have to own stocks to become wealthy – but understand that you neither deserve nor entitled to the returns that equities provide. Never forget that no matter how good a price you get on the buy or sell side, you will almost never capture the bottom or top; don’t even try. Be sure that your price is good.
It is difficult to emphasize the importance of passivity enough. Since I just quoted Munger, look at the length of time the assets that made Charlie rich were held in the equity portfolio of Berkshire Hathaway. Most of the real money came from trees planted more than a quarter-of-a-century ago. Shares of the largest position, Wells Fargo, were first acquired 27 years ago in 1989 and subsequently added to any time there was a banking crash. The Procter & Gamble stake can be traced to privately placed convertible preferred shares in Gillette, which P&G later acquired, that same year. The Coca-Cola shares were bought 28 years ago in 1988. The American Express shares can be first be traced to a privately placed convertible preferred issue from 25 years ago, back in 1991. Plus, these stakes have generated billions upon billions in after-tax dividends that funded other, newer investments. It’s even more extreme with the wholly owned subsidiaries, which he and his business partner, Warren Buffett, won’t part with at any price, some of their holding periods now approaching and surpassing the 50 year mark. It’s a lesson that Buffett has had to learn the hard way. Had he held on to shares of The Walt Disney Company from his 30’s, he’d be sitting on an extra $12+ billion from an initial $5 million investment back when he was running the investment partnership. Buffett became so passive in his later years, he sometimes took it to extremes, finally admitting at the 2005 shareholder meeting it had been a mistake not to sell Coca-Cola when it was at 50x earnings (the overvaluation has since burnt off and, true to form, it’s going to work out beautifully so passivity-as-a-matter-of-course once acquired makes the ghost ship approach quite appealing. I still think SunTrust was insane for selling its Coke when it did at the price it did; a decision that elevated accounting considerations above economic reality, that has cost it dearly, and that will ultimately end up causing owners to be far poorer than they otherwise would have been.).
The interesting thing about the valuation-based approach is that investors who utilize it tend to develop certain areas of expertise around which they excel and focus their attention even within certain asset classes. Now referred to as a “circle of competence”, the concept is largely credited to the legendary founder of IBM, Tom Watson, Sr., who said, “I’m not genius. I’m smart in spots – but I stay around those spots.” You may be great at running a chain of tire shops or beauty parlors, able to earn jaw dropping returns on capital that you couldn’t get anywhere else because you’re simply that good at it. You may become an expert in analyzing the oil and natural gas industry. You may become highly proficient in understanding pharmaceutical firms. You may develop new construction projects from the ground-up turning once-vacant plots of land into thriving communities. You may buy old, promising restoration candidates and return them to their former glory. You may buy song rights in bankruptcy auctions (a couple of years ago, I came close to working with a reader of this blog in bidding on the rights to some of Toni Braxton’s royalty streams in her most recently bankruptcy court hearing. He had done the homework, brought them to my attention, wanted me to put up the money, and split the proceeds in an equitable way as a reward for uncovering it. I was seriously considering pulling the trigger but the judge was conducting the whole affair on a black box basis so there was no telling what the actual underlying copyrights were, only the past cash flows, which wasn’t specific enough for me to write a check).
A small percentage of investors seem to take a hybrid approach between systematic purchases and valuation so it’s not an all-or-nothing deal; e.g., engaging in valuation on the margins of their portfolio while sticking with systematic purchases for the core. For example, a lot of investors who ran down to the HR department during the 2008-2009 collapse and significantly increased the amount they were putting into their 401(k) because they knew that the stock market had fallen to a level that made it objectively cheap by historical, relative, and absolute standards were making a valuation determination. They were still regularly purchasing their mutual funds through payroll deductions, pay period after pay period, dollar cost averaging, but they de facto ended up accelerating their own recovery time by dragging down the cost basis of their portfolio a lot faster than otherwise would have been the case.
The same is true in reverse. I’ve used it as an illustration of intelligent behavior in the past but there was a period during the dot-com boom when Vanguard’s founder, John Bogle, liquidated something like all but the last 25% of his stock and equity index fund investments, putting it, instead, in cash, Treasury securities, and bonds, which were offering nearly 3x the yield relative to the earnings yields on stocks. The valuation gap had become so large, he talked about it being a once-in-a-generation disconnect that he could no longer ignore so he threw the “stay the course” mantra of systematic investing out the window. There was no way stocks could live up to the promises that were baked into their valuations, which he knew from simple math.
In contrast to all of this is market timing. As previously explained, a market timer decides to buy or sell because he thinks the asset will increase or decrease for any myriad of reasons, none of which is necessarily tied to intrinsic value (though exceptions to that last exclusion exist – e.g., if you purchase a non-hedged put option as a way to leverage a bet that a certain enterprise is going bankrupt due to cash flow problems, although the underlying thesis is based upon valuation, the fact that you’ve introduced a time-decay factor with a $0 end value as a result of the presence of option expiration means that you are engaging in market timing because you need the end result to manifest within a fairly specific period; an entirely different thing that cannot be done with any degree of accuracy on a widespread, repeatable basis. It’s a fuzzy line here, though, because the degree of time remaining prior to expiration heavily influences the degree of market timing speculation inherent in the position).
Mutual fund investors are perhaps the worst when it comes to market timing. You look at the returns they earn on a dollar-weighted basis and it is pathetic (note: As defined, I have some serious real-world reservations about dollar-weighted calculations so take them with a grain of salt as the metric currently measures total cash flows rather than the actual experience of the median investor in the fund, the latter of which cannot be calculated from external data despite being the far more relevant consideration). Even when someone pulls it off successfully for awhile, the type of people attracted to the strategy don’t necessarily benefit from it because of their own shortcomings; e.g., one of the earlier links I included in the body of this post talks about the CGM Focus Fund, a speculative market timing fund that generated 18% compounded rates of return over the past decade while the stock market as a whole did far worse. Despite this stellar performance (which was achieved with extreme risk and is not a way I’d want my own money put to work – I quite literally mean it in the strictest sense of the word when I say that, given the choice, I’d have rather owned 10-year FDIC insured certificates of deposit), the typical investor in the fund didn’t earn the positive 18% per annum return they should have but, rather, a negative 11% return per annum. When the fund went up, they bought more because it had increased. When the fund went down, they sold shares because it had decreased.
The whole thing is bonkers. An asset isn’t necessarily cheaper when the price declines if the intrinsic value has somehow been impaired. Likewise, an asset isn’t necessarily more expensive when the price increases if something has happened that indicates the intrinsic value is a lot higher than previously realized. They keep looking to the market price to inform them of intrinsic value when that’s not what it is there to do at any given moment in time – it’s there to be exploited or ignored. As Graham put it in the aforementioned 1949 edition of The Intelligent Investor:
The most realistic distinction between the investor and the speculator is found in their attitude toward stock-market movements. The speculator’s primary interest lies in anticipating and profiting from market fluctuations. The investor’s primary interest lies in acquiring and holding suitable securities at suitable prices. Market movements are important to him in a practical sense, because they alternately create low price levels at which we would be wise to buy and high price levels at which he certainly should refrain from buying and probably would be wise to sell.
Passivity is just so much more effective when it comes to accumulating wealth. You only have to make two correct decisions – which asset to acquire and the price you want to pay for it – then sit back and enjoy the fruits it produces decade after decade. You have a couple of good ideas every few years and you’re set for life. People can’t do it, though. After all these years, I accept but it but I don’t like it. A perfect example is the recent drop in equity prices on Wall Street. We’re in the middle of the quiet period so a lot of companies aren’t able to use share buybacks to support the stock price, leading to greater volatility. The strong dollar caused a lot of earnings reports to look far less attractive than they should have been (it’s gotten so absurd, that some countries enjoyed double-digit increases in operating results but got reported as substantial decreases on a percentage basis because the greenback has been driven up relative to other fiat). The economy is mediocre in most respects. Certain hedge funds and sovereign wealth funds are redeeming positions. Everyone’s worried about China. Crude oil has collapsed to the lowest price in 12 years, hitting the $20’s. It’s nothing new. This is life.
Look at Tiffany & Company. When I wrote about it during the first week of this month, I mentioned that it appeared to be a good long-term opportunity relative to intrinsic value, both absolutely and relative to valuation five years ago. The stock was $76.04 per share. In the mere two weeks since that time, the price has declined by $14.24 per share, or 18.73%, down to $61.80. Christmas sales were a bit worse than expected (though still highly profitable and objectively good) so analysts began downgrading it. Reports were put out by places like Zacks Equity Research, saying that it may not be “rational” – I kid you not – to own Tiffany & Company because the price had fallen. The exact quote, “With Tiffany’s share price tumbling and estimates witnessing downward revisions, it would not be prudent to keep the stock in your portfolio, at least for the time being.”
It’s almost a perfect summation of what is wrong with Wall Street, the investment business, professional and individual investors. Trying to predict what Tiffany & Company, or any firm’s, stock price will do in the short-term (market timing) is idiotic because it cannot be done. Whether the stock is at $20 or $120 tomorrow doesn’t matter much if the underlying business hasn’t suffered some massive, unlikely, change in its earnings capacity. The only intelligent courses of action are making sure your purchase price is backed by a sufficient margin of safety so it is likely to lead to a happy outcome over the years (valuation) or regularly buying throughout your lifetime (systematic purchases).
This whole thing is not complicated. It’s really not. When I wrote that I believed Tiffany & Company was [and, at present, remains] a fair opportunity for someone with a long-term horizon when it was in the $70s, and that there was a point in the $50s at which I would be convinced the probabilities tipped to such a degree that it would result in some major allocation shifts so I could get my hands on a meaningful amount, I never dreamed I’d get lucky enough that we’d be flirting with it in a period of fourteen days. You cannot predict these things (which is the reason I’m not a fan of market timing, instead advocating for systematic purchases for typical investors and, in rare cases, a valuation approach for the experienced). I bought more in the $60s for several family members and, if the current price or better is maintained, plan on gifting some to my nieces and nephews in the near future. Why? Relative to the economic engine under most economic scenarios, a 25-year holding period should be highly satisfactory at the prices we paid. That’s really all I care about in the end. I repeat it so many times it gets exhausting but it seems like so few people get it. Folks make things much harder than they are. If you bought a rental duplex in the suburbs of Kansas City for $300,000 that was pumping out $30,000 a year in net rents, then the next day someone showed up and offered you $210,000, is it going to cause you any distress? Are you going to be upset or think about it too much? No! You’re measuring your results by the underlying cash being produced by the asset. You’d thank them for the interest but say you’re not interested in parting with it.
As nuts as it drives me from time to time, I’m not above taking advantage of it. Those covered calls I wrote back in December, part of a series of derivative transactions into which I entered after picking up my proverbial pen for the first time in years, are almost assuredly going to expire completely worthless, much to my delight. (We also didn’t have any cash secured equity puts exercised, either.) That means we had piles of fresh, pure profit liquidity for me to buy more of the things I want for the portfolio. The pricing was such that I would have been happy no matter what happened – the reason it caught my attention – but there’s something particularly satisfying about watching speculators’ funds end up in our accounts, keeping our shares, and using their money to pick up a stake in a business I’ve been acquiring aggressively lately (it’s too small, and the economics too good, to discuss on the blog given that we very well may be buying it indefinitely, perhaps for years).
I’ve been sitting here too long. I should go do something. I always hesitate to publish posts like this because there’s really no point to them; no clear, central message, no defining keyword, it’s more of me typing to myself in the same way people think out loud. I’m not sure why anyone would even care to read it since it’s probably not relevant to their personal situation as each of us have our own opportunity costs and considerations that must be taken into account when managing our financial affairs. I suppose it comes down to 1.) buy really good assets, 2.) pay fair or attractive prices for them relative to conservatively estimated intrinsic value, 3.) structure them in a tax and cost efficient way, 4.) arrange your overall portfolio so the risks are tolerable and intelligent, and 5.) sit on your backside, avoiding the temptation to “do something” but all of it has been said before so it shouldn’t be news. The problem is getting people to actually do it.
Still, it’s been a nice distraction so thanks in the off-chance you’ve made it this far – we’re around the 6,700 word mark at this point. I genuinely hope there was at least something useful in it that you can take for yourself and put to work for your own advantage so you’re better able to achieve whatever your own financial dreams and goals are.
Reader Comments (58)
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Scott Thomas
January 20, 2016
Great post, I learned a lot! I love hearing your perspective. And if you need another distraction, any comments or new information about your upcoming wealth management group, hedge fund, etc? 🙂 Thank you!
Ang
January 20, 2016
I second this, the rambling posts are almost the ones that help the most at times because we get a look into the thought process and summary of everything you think about and do instead of pieces that eventually fit together in the whole scheme of things. Cheers and thanks for the continuing education!
Steven
January 21, 2016
Replying to Ang
Seconded! Your posts like there are some of my favorites, not every article has to make a specific point.
I'm sure most of us made it to the end:)
Dustin L
January 21, 2016
Replying to Steven
I too will second. Wow, thoroughly enjoyed reading this post. These are quite literally some of your best posts because its like on a whim we get a raw glimpse into what is going on in your mind.
Especially now, it's quite refreshing to me to read your thoughts and simplicity as it relates to sound long-term buy and hold investing principals. Maybes its because I so deeply agree and follow them but it also reminds me so much of my favorite finance professor from college who drilled these same concepts into me.
I get sick of reading and seeing some of the ludicrous headlines and 'articles' from mainstream media and analysts. Your teachings and sound advice are a breath of fresh air and should be the type of advice and commentary that needs to go viral, especially now as the so called stock market storm rolls in.
Jeff
January 20, 2016
I had no idea that companies had a self imposed buyback blackout to avoid the risk of insider trading.
I would think an easy way around that would be to give an outside broker the ability to spend their money to buy their stock under an agreed upon price.
innerscorecard
January 20, 2016
"rather than a Japanese style-deflation, which seems equally as probable"
TLDR. Sold everything, went all in on 30-year Treasury futures.
...Just kidding. Fantastic article. Reading it, I thought about a bit about how adding even a little bit of leverage, even 5-10%, instantly makes one a speculator to some great degree, because time frame suddenly matters.
I was also reminded of something else that has given me great trouble over the past year or so, especially. Aren't macroeconomic trends such a stronger dollar or cheap oil NOT a permanent impairment of earnings only to the extent that there is mean reversion of these trends? And the determination of this seems like an inherently speculative endeavor.
Joshua Kennon
January 20, 2016
Replying to innerscorecard
The whole "use a tiny bit of leverage" thing on a diversified basket of stocks which has come up from time to time in academic papers as a way to juice returns - all of which, of course, is predicated on nonsense like beta being a measurement of long-term risk under the intellectual manure that is the CAPM (which might provide the illusion of working under some circumstances, until it doesn't in a 1929-1933 event, defeating the entire purpose in my mind - some wonderful businesses lost 80% to 90% of their quoted market value, not to mention a lesser but still brutal 1973-1974 period - being forced to sell to meet what was once considered a small obligation is not something I think deserves a lot of praise. When you use borrowed money to buy securities, you are effectively bringing in a second portfolio manager who can call the loan at any time, for any reason, without any justification, taking away your ability to make the most intelligent allocation decisions). I can see it working if you do it like Buffett did indirectly through the partnership via Drexel - you buy an operating business that, itself, has credit facilities with more predictability than typical securities-market financing options, but that isn't what these folks are talking about when they model it. That is part of Buffett's genius, as, again, we've discussed. He's a great investor but a huge portion of his empire comes from his ability to create the right structure where a disproportionate percentage of the rewards flow to him and his partners; e.g., Berkshire Hathaway's equity portfolio has done much better than average but the outsized, jaw-dropped returns come from the insurance float, which effectively turns the place into a giant non-callable margin account given the terms on which that float is underwritten. It's worlds away from what most folks discuss on this topic. A few months ago, I was reading some paper - I wish I could remember the name of it off the top of my head but it was one of those things that only bothered me a lot in retrospect because of how idiotic it was so it kept coming back to mind long after I'd trashed it - which criticized a particular manager for outperforming the market when "the same thing could be achieved by simply leveraging the S&P 500, instead", or some other nonsense along those lines.
Not to say that there aren't times in a person's life, especially if they are young, relatively poor, and willing to take the failure risk (I mean really, truly willing to accept it) when it might be okay to swing for the fences. I don't think it's necessary all that often (go back to our past conversations on Ray Kroc and the way he used different financing sources on top of ordinary leverage to create a sort of super-super leverage situation for McDonald's without a lot of the downside); something he and his two business partners did in his 50's. Had Charlie Munger not borrowed heavily for his early real estate investments, I doubt he'd be a billionaire today. He would have ended up rich, but not as rich or as early as he did. It's a personal thing. What I don't like seeing is the institutionalization of leverage on quoted securities, which can create systematic and cultural risks. Don't borrow money to buy stocks. Maybe do it to buy entire businesses. Maybe do it to buy real estate. Stocks? No. Most people should pay cash. In a cash, not margin, account. It all seems more conservative but it's because I reject the premise that risk and reward have to be tied together. You can absolutely generate outsized returns by simply being smarter; by simultaneously reducing your risk. I've done it my entire life, I've watched others do it, and the fact that academics can't fit it into a model isn't my problem.
As for the last part ("Aren't macroeconomic trends such a stronger dollar or cheap oil NOT a permanent impairment of earnings only to the extent that there is mean reversion of these trends? And the determination of this seems like an inherently speculative endeavor."): Yes on a firm-specific basis (not really on a market-wide basis as, say, the drop in the cost of fuel directly and indirectly increases profits elsewhere). They become, to a meaningful degree, an input variable that influences intrinsic value; e.g., the drop of jet fuel prices leading to far higher earnings for airlines. I try to build enough conservatism into the numbers that I'm protected on the downside but any pleasant surprises line my pockets with extra money. Additionally, my way of getting around this is to deal with it at the portfolio level treating it like a correlated risk. I don't want holdings that are all going to be slaughtered at the same time if oil goes up or down by any meaningful degree. Some of our assets will do really well, some will be hit. This is similar to what I was talking about back with the GE split-off; how our decision was going to be informed in no small part by the fact our biggest holding was already in the banking sector. It begins with individual security selection but sometimes, otherwise good candidates will get swapped or removed at the portfolio level due to portfolio-level considerations.
Joshua Kennon
January 20, 2016
Glad you enjoyed it. I'll try to post an update on the global asset management group sometime in the next couple of weeks. I'm spending so much time working on it, it's easy for me to forget that none of that effort or progress is visible to anyone who isn't physically in our proximity. It will be nice to share some of that process with the community; thanks for the suggestion!
Dustin L
January 21, 2016
Replying to Joshua Kennon
I too will second. Wow, thoroughly enjoyed reading this post. These are quite literally some of your best posts because its like on a whim we get a raw glimpse into what is going on in your mind.
Especially now, it's quite refreshing to me to read your thoughts and simplicity as it relates to sound long-term buy and hold investing principals. Maybes its because I so deeply agree and follow them but it also reminds me so much of my favorite finance professor from college who drilled these same concepts into me.
I get sick of reading and seeing some of the ludicrous headlines and 'articles' from mainstream media and analysts. Your teachings and sound advice are a breath of fresh air and should be the type of advice and commentary that needs to go viral, especially now as the so called stock market storm rolls in.
Joshua Kennon
May 10, 2016
Replying to Dustin L
If you're still interested in reading about the update on the global asset management firm, I recently posted some more information, which you can read at this link. Happy reading!
Dividends are Coming
January 21, 2016
I discovered your blog a couple of weeks ago and continue to be impressed by your wealth of knowledge. I'm also impressed by the sheer length of your posts, at the beginning of this article you said you had a lot of work to do yet you still managed to pump out a post of almost 7000 words, very impressive!
Joshua Kennon
May 10, 2016
Replying to Dividends are Coming
Welcome to the site!
todd
January 21, 2016
Bernard J. Nees, strongly believed in this premise: “How do you make money in the stock market? Be invested at the bottom. How do you ensure you’re invested at the bottom? ALWAY BE INVESTED .” For me I live by this quote. Who is Bernard J. Nees ? I read this in one of our family mutual funds 20 years back and yes it is a Loaded fund. I sure Joshua as heard of Bernard Nees.
Kapitalust
January 21, 2016
I always enjoy these types of posts.
Doug
January 21, 2016
Great article. This is an approach that I try to emulate. "Try" being the operative word, lol. Do you ever sell cash-secured puts as a way to enter a position while getting paid in the interim? To use your TIF example, if you think $55 is a great price to own it, the May 55 puts are currently bid $2.10, which would "yield" 3.8% on a fully-collateralized position for 4-1/2 months. If the stock plunges, then you get it put to you at $55. If it doesn't, you keep the premium.
The "risk" is that it drops to, say, $56 and takes off, never to see $55 again. But, if you really don't want to own it in size above $55, then it may be a good strategy - sort of a combo between "systematic" and "valuation."
Jeff
January 21, 2016
Replying to Doug
Joshua has written about just this approach: https://www.joshuakennon.com/people-will-pay-promise-buy-stocks-wanted-buy-anyway/
TheSplash
January 21, 2016
You gave an example on every item in your list except for arguably (in my opinion) the most interesting item - #5. I'd love to hear more about "ways to get assets through much more favorable arrangements" which I have a feeling is about puts and call options, my weakest area in money management.
Matthieu Croce
January 21, 2016
I'll pile on and agree with the folks who love these types of posts; I really enjoy the view into the though processes of other people.
I've been thinking a lot recently about how and why the quoted price of a security has such an impact on so many people. It's interesting to ponder. For me, it's a constant reminder that the price is there for me to take advantage of or not - I like how you put it: "to be exploited or ignored.".
Matt
January 21, 2016
People seem to be willing to pay some pretty ridiculous prices for Tiffany put options. But the stock does seem pretty undervalued here though, so I doubt you'd be unhappy in 25 years if you purchased the stock outright, even the price did move down into the 50s in the short term. This seems like one of those cases where being clever instead of simply being smart could cost you in the long run.
Dustin
January 21, 2016
"...but there’s something particularly satisfying about watching speculators’ funds end up in our accounts, keeping our shares, and using their money to pick up a stake in a business I’ve been acquiring aggressively lately (it’s too small, and the economics too good, to discuss on the blog given that we very well may be buying it indefinitely, perhaps for years)."
The above comment really caught my attention; would love to know more about the schematics and processes you go through to find and identify these types of businesses. Given the context of the comment I am making an assumption you are referring to a particular stock, though you could also be referring to a private business.
jack's smirking revenge
January 21, 2016
So I really want to use this strategy in my taxable account (which is currently only in indexes I bought last year (inheritance) before discovering your blog!) I'm now sitting on a $20k loss. Would it be better to take this loss and switch to a blue chip portfolio or wait it out in indexes to recover my money and start over?
todd
January 21, 2016
Replying to jack's smirking revenge
First don't listen to me! I would look at some large cap companys that sell things you use there products every day that have paid a increasing dividend for the last 20 years. Companys that make Food, Personal Care, Energy and Meds. How much of your index funds do you sell. This is what my Uncle D. use to tell me when I told him I wanted to sell a stock and that is to keep half and sell half that way if it go's up you are glad that you kept half and if it went down you are glad you sold half. Simple butt it works. If you sell you could wright of the loss in what some people would say tax loss harvesting. Max out all Roth IRA's, Roth 401k's and Health savings Accounts.
MW
January 22, 2016
Replying to jack's smirking revenge
Okay. You're invested in indexes and showing paper loss of 20k.
If you sell, your realized loss is 20k.
If you don't sell, your realized loss is zero (there are tax considerations for selling at a loss but let's keep this simple). In the mean time, you would be collecting dividends for continuing to hold these investments.
If you are not forced to sell these securities for the next 5 or 10 years, there is a distinct possibility that they will recover in value enough that you could avoid selling at a loss of 20k. While you wait that out, any new money you put into your account could be used to buy individual stocks instead of further investing in the broader market. You could, additionally, supplement this by selling blocks of your current index holdings over time, as you identified other attractive stocks in which to invest, shifting funds from one to the other (again, there are tax considerations for this but I don't know enough about your situation to discuss anything more).
How well any of this works for you, I can't say. You'll have to decide which trade-offs you're comfortable making.
Eric
January 23, 2016
Replying to jack's smirking revenge
Wait for it to recover and learn from your mistakes. Figure out a plan for new money and make sound decisions going forward. Jumping in and out only makes your broker rich.
Eugene
January 25, 2016
Replying to jack's smirking revenge
I think you should re-read this post, multiple times if necessary, especially the part about PASSIVITY and not doing anything rash. Your $20k "loss" is not a loss until you sell. Calmly wait for the down swing to pass.
A
January 21, 2016
Any thoughts on the Canadian/UK market? Are you buying anything from those markets? I haven't seen you talk a whole lot about Canada/UK/other developed markets recently.
David
January 21, 2016
Also check out munger's risk management strategy when he was doing real estate development with leverage below. No total wipeout risk was taken.
https://books.google.com/books?id=LhMGSDiQghEC&pg=PA93&lpg=PA93&dq=charlie+munger+couldn't+lose+everything&source=bl&ots=qOxj1Wy6gK&sig=8Uykv2IDCYCRh8qb0U2F9_ql9xE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjD_56N3bzKAhUI1WMKHQKECWQQ6AEILzAF#v=onepage&q=charlie%20munger%20couldn't%20lose%20everything&f=false
joe pierson
January 22, 2016
Easy.
1) Spend 10 years learning corporate finance, economics, human psychology, successful businessmen tactics
2) Review every S&P tear sheet every year to weed out candidates depending on your expertise
3) Order annual reports and trade magazines related to each corporations
4) Determine a buy point and wait
https://www.joshuakennon.com/its-that-time-of-year-again-diving-into-the-sp-tear-sheets/
Dustin L
January 25, 2016
Replying to joe pierson
Joe, thanks for the information and the link. Good information. I appreciate the response.
nlf
January 25, 2016
I started a DRIP with XOM my senior year of college two years ago. At the time, I bought a few shares at $100 and left it alone. I began doing semi-monthly purchases of $50 early last year and continued to fully reinvest any dividends. There were times when I thought to stop these monthly purchases as I wasn't doing very well and it seemed frivolous to allocate $100 each month. Then I read an article of yours about buying/holding XOM long-term knowing full well that we were accepting potentially years of bad returns yet could reap a nice pay-off should we see it through. After reading this article, I continue to feel more at ease about my monthly purchases. Thanks for the read.
Eric
January 26, 2016
Replying to nlf
What was making you uneasy about it?
nlf
January 26, 2016
Replying to Eric
I think it came from the downward trend in stock price. I bought my first shares at $100 apiece and sometime last year bought shares at $73 apiece. It seemed like every time I bought shares, the share price was lowering. Now that I've actually tabulated these purchases, I see that my unrealized loss isn't as big as I thought it'd be.
Eric
January 26, 2016
Replying to nlf
I can't imagine oil staying this cheap for long. And even if it does Exxon would gain market share as they purchase assets from companies that need cash to survive.
nlf
January 27, 2016
Replying to Eric
I agree. Chalk it up to my youth, but I was thinking short-term as opposed to long-term. Ironically, I have a formal academic background in petroleum engineering and have previously worked out in the fields. I passed on full-time opportunities within O&G in early 2014 and transitioned to a career in finance. Now I'm on the flip side, working on valuations of mostly midstream assets.
Muhammad
January 26, 2016
Some of the ideas given in this article are just priceless.....i especially liked the idea that "If you buy a $100,000 block of some great business as part of a diversified portfolio, and you paid a good price for it, it shouldn't cause even an eyebrow raise if you wake up to find it quoted at $67,000. If anyone tells you this is outside the realm of possibility – be it a financial advisor, portfolio manager, or friend – realize that you’re dealing with someone who is out of their depths." I've had qualified people (and by Qualified I mean CFA charter holders....i kid you not!) tell me that they dont invest in the stock market because its too risky and I know this one guy (another CFA charter holder with many years of experience as a financial analyst!!) that DCF analysis is crap because there are too many assumptions in the model ! ! ! Earlier on when I would get stuff like this from the so called "Qualified" people, it would actually weigh on my mind for long periods of time.....but now after having thought through this faulty way of thinking I realize these people may know a few of the financial formulas and ratios but they have no idea about how money works. I believe it is due to the fact that they have never really taken out the time to actually study how the wealthy actually got wealthy. If they did they wouldnt be full of so much BS. (excuse my French!) 😀 thanks for the routine dose of sensible advice Joshua! appriciate it much. 🙂
Cody A. Ray
January 26, 2016
What about systematic valuation-based purchases such as those discussed in What Works On Wall Street? Wouldn't this approach be better than a pure systematic investment in an broad index fund (or similar screening criteria) for the long-term investor without the level of skills you possess?
Mr.owenr
January 26, 2016
Thank you for this enjoyable post. It is like a breath of fresh air compared to the advice I received this week from my co-workers and family.
My coworkers and family were serious when they told me:
1. Hershey is a bad company to own because they are going to run out of chocolate and then go bankrupt.
2. Exxon is a bad deal at 70 because oil is under $20 a barrel and you should never pay more to own a share of an oil company then the price per barrel of oil.
3. Investing $2000 in an IRA in order to take advantage of the Retirement Savings contribution credit is a bad idea because if you spend your life accumulating money you will be at higher risk for identity theft.
So as I go back into stealth wealth mode (otherwise known as keeping my mouth shut) I'd like to truly offer my thanks to you for writing this article, regardless of how pointless you believe it was.
Eric
January 26, 2016
Replying to Mr.owenr
The day Hersheys runs out of chocolate will be a bad day indeed.
Muhammad
January 26, 2016
Replying to Mr.owenr
Although point number two is hilarious however point number number 1 is EPIC! 😀
P.S: no disrespect meant to any of course. 🙂
Mr.owenr
May 17, 2016
Replying to Muhammad
None Taken 🙂
Joshua Kennon
May 7, 2016
Replying to Mr.owenr
It took me a long time, writing online and interacting with so many people, to realize millions upon millions of Americans not only believe things like this, but also repeat them as a sincerely held belief. On the upside, this kind of folly means there is less competition in the auction that is the stock market to buy ownership pieces of the businesses you want to add to your collection. Fewer people competing means a better price for long-term investors. I'm not sure how much of a silver lining it is if you care about clear cognition but it's at least something. Truth be told, I may prefer it to the madness I remember in the late 1990s when everyone was suddenly a stock market expert, throwing their life savings into some technology company they didn't understand. It was wild.
Mr.owenr
May 17, 2016
Replying to Joshua Kennon
Thank you for your kind words. I appreciate the idea of being able to buy ownership in businesses that I want to own at lower prices because of this folly. But when these opinions come from my own family, I guess I just really wanted them to understand.
As an aside having just finished Peter Lynch's book One Up on Wall Street (1989) it makes me want to run down to Walmart and throw my life savings into some company I don't understand.
Derek
January 26, 2016
I think the the person that said DCF is crap because of the assumptions involved was on the right track, but didn't take it to the next level of thinking about financial analysis and investing. The recognition that there are many assumptions in a DCF analysis is a good first step. Anyone that's ever tried to put one together on a publicly traded company would likely realize this as they worked to determine the right numbers to plug into their calculator.
Benjamin Graham spelled out that next level of thinking when he advocated for the concept of margin of safety, which serves the purpose of helping protect you from those assumptions. As long as an investor can identify businesses with good economics and holds a diversified portfolio, the margin of safety concept should help ensure satisfactory results in the long run, even if the estimates were a little wide if the mark.
Muhammad
January 27, 2016
Replying to Derek
I agree with your point. That's why I was specific about the fact that this is coming from a "Qualified" person with many years of experience as an equity research analyst. That is what shocked me. If I had gotten this from a novice I would'nt have mentioned it because its understandable that they are stumped by the fact that there are too many assumptions to be made when conducting a DCF Analysis. It would have told me that he understood the science behind it but was lacking when it came to the art side of it. But this wasn't some beginner. That is what amazes me.
I was just going through one of Warren Buffett's speeches and he said that it is an analysts job to convert a stock into an equity bond so that he is able to tell what the investor is likely to earn over the time he holds on to the stock. If he can't answer this then its not investing but speculation instead.
What I take from this is that you have to be able to foresee, with enough certainty, where the company will be, from a financial stand point, ten years or so down the line. So if we are able to do this for a business then DCF analysis makes perfect sense and although there will be quite a few assumptions in the model, however a sufficient margin of safety (like you pointed out correctly) is what is required to give the analyst/investor enough cushion so that the portfolio doesn't take a massive hit.
The Struggling Millennial
January 27, 2016
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I beg to differ. These are some of your best posts. The inner ramblings of a misunderstood genius.
freebird27
January 28, 2016
Incredible! Thanks for your insights, I love these type of posts.
TheSplash
January 29, 2016
It's funny, the evening after I posted this question, I watched "The Big Short". That lead me to investigate Charlie Ledley and Jamie Mai (the movie characters Charlie Geller and Jamie Shipley were based on these two) and from there I learned a *lot* about Calls.
Also Jeff posted a link below where you already talked about Puts: https://www.joshuakennon.com/people-will-pay-promise-buy-stocks-wanted-buy-anyway/,
Muhammad
February 13, 2016
Joshua, what do you think about XBRL and it's prospects for becoming the global standard for business reporting? Also, are you using it yourself when it comes to collecting and formatting data for business analysis? if so how did you find it from a utility standpoint? thanks in advance!
Joshua Kennon
May 7, 2016
Replying to Muhammad
At present, I don't really utilize it but that could change in the future. In fact, I am almost positive it will. (I do have a project in which I'd be utterly thrilled to use XBRL at Kennon-Green & Co. at some point in the future but it would only work if I brought a programmer on board and I'm not sure I'm ready to do that in the early days. If I do, I'm going to want to patent what I'm thinking about and license it as a technology solution to other financial institutions but that isn't really what you're asking, I don't think. It's more of a presentation idea and isn't so much about fundamental analysis.)
It won't change the core of what I do, though. It'd be kind of like ... I don't know, switching from a pen to a stylus? It serves a function but it's not revolutionary by any means. Not for what I do because my work system is not particularly usual compared to a lot of folks except old-school, fundamental analysts. When I study a company, I want the actual annual reports and 10-K filings by themselves, with all of the notes and ancillary information I can find, going back for several years. I want to read it all; understand it all. I want to do the same for competitors in the field. And look at how the business performs during certain economic environments. I want to identify the two levers; e.g., interest rates are a major "cash in" lever for property and casualty insurance companies due to the interest income on the float, which is usually invested in bonds. I want to make sure I can see the core economic engine - what drives it, how likely it is to continue pumping out cash - and the price I am paying relative to that stream of money. I want to understand it, in other words.
The accounting records aren't enough. They're the start, a first-pass and second-pass in a lot of ways for me. I want to know how the enterprise fits into civilization. I want to try to anticipate some of the risks to the core engine. I want to try and figure out how that core engine is correlated with other economic engines I may own or want to own so I can build a collection (read: portfolio) that has some sort of internal balance within itself to better withstand hardship. What I'm usually looking for can usually be done with a pencil, calculator, and a Form 10-K over an evening at this point in my career. An example is this comment I left earlier this afternoon. If I were just looking at the raw numbers like that, it'd have been a lot harder for me to find the company that interests me at the moment. It would never show up on a value investor's screen. Ever. It looks horrible on the surface. But it's an illusion. The core economic engine once you get past the reported numbers this year is gorgeous.
In that sense, it doesn't add a lot of value for me at the moment. I'd rather download the 10-K or other filings (e.g., with an insurance company, the NAIC disclosures). I want the multi-hundred page document with all the expository text, as well as the competitor's documents, so I can immerse myself in the firm. I want to understand what is happening in the industry and the sector. I want the trade journals. Most of what I need from the financial statements is going to happen in my mind, not on a spreadsheet. Truthfully, for a first-pass analysis, about all I need is the tear sheet from a firm like ValueLine. If it piques my interest, at that point, I want a lot more than the financial statements by themselves.
I mean, let's say I had a tool setup and it imported all of the financial data for a department store. This department store is killing it. I mean, they are just generating beautiful returns on capital. Dividends are growing. Sales per square foot are expanding. That's great. That's not enough for me. In the back of my mind, I'm going to see the retail trade data from the St. Louis Federal Reserve. It is not inflation or population adjusted, either - let that sink in for a moment - so it's particularly shocking. I want to know ... what is causing that? Why is this department store different? Is it sustainable? Could someone else replicate it? How much am I paying for it? It's a lot more complex than figures on a screen so a little efficiency in having them formatted a certain way for me doesn't do much because most of the time I spend with them is going to happen in the days or weeks that follow after I've studied it; walking around and turning them over in my mind, analyzing it like a puzzle.
I'm afraid this is probably a terribly non-satisfactory and disappointing answer. No. I don't really use it. If I ever do, it won't revolutionize my work process or anything, it will be a slight adjustment. I think it could up being the de facto standard for most financial reporting in the future; data fed into a system, a news story writes itself using a soft form of A.I.; e.g., "McDonald's sales were up [x]% while international currency translation effects caused it to appear as if revenue declined [y]%." Or it could be useful as information gets fed immediately into economic databases for analysis of the economy. But, no ... it's ... eh. If you find it convenient, great. It doesn't add anything to my life at the moment.
dave(nestle)
February 13, 2016
Since its a general rambling post,
What do you think of the (fill in adjectives) at the Federal Reserve, reserving the right to goto negative interest rates?
How probable? What would you see as the most obvious effects to all things investable?
What would happen to rates for say short term bonds or CDs versusu intermediate ones? Would they all go negative if this starts?
Why do you think that i the couple of countries that have gone this route, there has not been a total withdrawal of hard cash by depositors? Are people too addicted to convenience to care about the "fee" of this? Do they even understand or notice?
I have several old-schoolers in my family who keep plenty of cash in CDs and such so as to live peaceful rest of lives as far as expenses go, being totally uncaring about anything but security with this money.
Personally, never thought I would see a day of such utter monetary wizardry(to keep it civil).
Joshua Kennon
May 7, 2016
Replying to dave(nestle)
To say that I look upon negative rates with skepticism would be putting it lightly. I fear the cure may turn out to be far worse than the disease, especially in what it does to behavioral modification that exacerbates problems over the long-run.
Matt
April 28, 2016
Joshua,
I love the new hunter's green you've chosen for the site. Very pretty!
Indeed, I may be reading too much into this statement, but why do you recommend holding onto a security "like a pit bull"?
If 1) we were to go into a Great Depression #2 type of scenario (or similar),
and 2) the security had been held for more than 30 days,
and 3) the share price experienced a huge tumble:
Wouldn't you see a benefit in locking in a "large capital loss" or "lower capital gain", so to speak? The Great Depression 2 scenario is very likely going to mean that securities will STAY depressed for at least another month.
That is to say: you get out and stay out for the shortest possible time the IRS code will allow for the tax benefits of the loss (or taking in the significantly lower gain than you otherwise would have done had prices remained high), and effectively change your cost basis by buying back in at very similar or sometimes even cheaper prices AND seriously change your reported earnings on Schedule D. All the while, you have also reduced the further potential loss associated with being in the security during the fall - the only risk you run is that the security's value would rebound between the month that you had sold and bought back. The risk adjusted returns of this scheme has potentially huge effects for many people, probably the most for families in similar situations to your own household.
This seems like a tax arbitrage method that I thought you would know about / consider exploiting, but based on your statement, it definitely does not seem that way.
Matt
Joshua Kennon
April 29, 2016
If anything over the last fifteen years of interacting will untold readers has taught me anything it is this: Behavioral economics is the right model and the theoretically optimal pure economic approach is likely to lead to disaster in most people if you advocate for it.
Would I engage in tax arbitrage under these circumstances? It is highly probable, on some securities, depending upon the specifics. If I truly believed we were in a Great Depression II, equities were down 90%, and there were enormous unrealized losses, I may begin the process of locking in large tax loss carryforwards to be what amount to a future asset for me the way Graham used to talk about them at a corporate level. Most likely, given that you cannot predict nor time when a market recovery would happen, and true economic depressions last many years, I would engage in a rolling switchout rather than doing it all at once. Specifically, I'd try to achieve it over a period of anywhere from 6 to 24 months, most likely, so I still had broad equity exposure in case some favorable event came out of nowhere and prices recovered rapidly. (If they continued to decline, I get even better tax loss carryforwards and if they stay the same, I got to collect the dividend income in the meantime so this rolled-approach is, in my opinion, the most intelligent when you factor in the potential risk versus reward.)
Would I be particularly vocal about this? Absolutely not. A little bit of knowledge is dangerous in the wrong hands and for most people, under most circumstances, unless they had outsourced the responsibility of capital allocation to a really good asset management firm so they aren't attempting to do it themselves, they're probably going to get themselves in trouble.
Additionally, for a lot of American households, a vast majority of their investable capital is in tax shelters so tax loss carryforwards aren't useful to them. If they own Coca-Cola or Johnson & Johnson in a Roth IRA and it's down 90%, selling it is almost assuredly going to be an enormous, multi-generational mistake even if it doesn't feel that way in the decade in which you are experiencing it.
In other words, you can probably add a lot of optimality through intelligent tax strategy. People like me will likely be attempting to do precisely such a thing both for ourselves and the people entrusting their capital to us. Many members of this community might, too, especially given the tax brackets involved (if you're in the top bracket, living in a place like New York, between Federal, state, and local taxes, you're talking real money). The general public? I think it'd be a mistake to even mention it, putting it in their heads it is something they should be considering. It's the same philosophy behind why someone like John Bogle hardly ever corrects the record about his beliefs on capital allocation. I was talking to someone recently and Bogle came up because his behavior is a perfect embodiment of it. The last time I checked into it, Bogle had something like 1/4th of his personal assets in actively managed funds. When extreme valuation events manifest themselves, he takes advantage of them by increasing or decreasing equity and fixed income allocations, respectively, the same way Benjamin Graham would. He is a very smart guy and no matter what he calls himself, he is largely an old-school value investor with a notable preference for passivity but who is paying attention to underlying fundamentals in a meaningful way. It seems evident that a substantial percentage of people who follow his philosophy have reduced it to something that barely resembles what he actually does, insisting on only buying index funds with low expense ratios, eschewing all active management, ignoring valuation, and "staying the course". Heck, these days he's even stopped pointing out how superior individual holdings of underlying indices are compared to the pooled structures once you get someone who has real money and can afford it. Honestly, even though Bogle is going to likely generate much better returns than they are doing things they would find unthinkable because they are twisting his philosophy into somewhat of a caricature of itself that barely resembles the actual meat that is there, the type of people who are prone to such oversimplification are the very type most likely to benefit from believing it. Correcting it, even reinforcing this secular scripture, is likely to lead them to more comfortable lives as they avoid the type of obsessiveness that is an inherent part of their personality. They'll be those people who lose everything because they were trying to be clever rather than intelligent.
Joshua Kennon
May 10, 2016
If you're still curious, I just posted an update, which you can read at this link. Happy reading!
Joshua Kennon
May 10, 2016
I realize this comment is older (it's quite literally a dark and stormy night here in the Midwest and I'm making my way back through comments to try and respond to as many as I can). As fortune would have it, for whatever reason, this very concept has been on my mind a lot the past couple of weeks, specifically as it pertains to obfuscation mechanisms like pooled mutual funds or index funds; how merely throwing up a veil in front of investors causes them, in some cases, to behave more intelligently all while arguing against the very assets that are behind that veil, making fools of themselves. It's so... strange? (that's not quite the right word)... to me but the conclusion I keep reaching is that it is because most people don't actually understand what they are buying when they acquire a productive asset. That's what is really going on and causing the folly. That is what resides at the heart of the behavior.
They don't understand - on a visceral, emotional, or intellectual level - that they should be in the business of acquiring 1.) personal utility, 2.) strategic advantage, and/or 3.) net present value cash flows (including, in some cases, the net present cash flows of asset conversion activities). To them, going out and buying 100 shares of Coca-Cola... they'd don't look at it like they just bought 100/4,329,497,778th of the world's largest beverage company. They don't think about what they paid relative to the assets, cash flows, and risks. Sure, they might try to learn about the p/e ratio or something but there's not a lot of understanding there. They aren't trying to conservatively estimate their share of the owner earnings or think about how each particular piece of ownership fits in their overall portfolio, both cash flow and risk-wise, which is an entirely different discipline.
That means they are ipso facto looking to the market price to inform them of the value of their holdings. Far from being something to exploit or ignore, they are hoping social proof, that most powerful of mental models, validates their actions. Therein lies the source of their distress when market quotations collapse. Whereas people like me and many members of this community measure our success in various ways, including our share of the annual "look-through" earnings, to borrow a famous concept, they aren't thinking about these things. My goal is to build a collection of assets so my share of the sales, profits, and dividends climb faster than inflation over time; that have certain internal defenses against the wonderful "creative destruction" of capitalism that improves overall standards of living but can destroy once-profitable enterprises. I trust my ability to get to the heart of an enterprise - to see it - and value it more than I trust the judgment of my fellow citizens. To me, the utility comes from the underlying productive capacity. Other than special operations, practically every single position I'd buy, without notable exception, I'd be perfectly fine if the stock exchange were frozen for ten years and I wasn't allowed to sell a single share. I don't need the quoted market price. In fact, I don't even look at it a lot of times when I'm studying and valuing businesses. If I'm working my way through a sector or industry and find a business I really, really like, I'm going to probably end up valuing it long before I've looked up the current stock price. I already know what I'd want to pay for it, the stock price is there for me to take advantage of or not.
No matter how many people call themselves long-term investors or even value investors, experience has shown me that very few folks are playing this game. I don't understand it because it's so simple - the principles work even if you avoid stocks entirely and focus on acquiring cash-generating real estate, for example - but I suspect it's because it takes years, perhaps even a decade, to really understand the rules. This isn't like Monopoly where you can pick it up in an evening. There are a lot of moving parts, systems, and inter-connected concepts and variables but when it all clicks, when you see how it finally fits together, it's a bit like having an economic cheat code to life or a visor level-up in the old Nintendo Metroid games. You see things other people don't see; obvious opportunities that are as plain as day, right in front of you. Just as importantly, you have the fortitude to take advantage of them no matter how unpopular they make you or how much people disagree because you know the numbers.
Whether it's a quirk of temperament, genetics, socialization, life experiences, or a combination of all four, I'm not sure. Earlier this week, I was eating a hot fudge sundae in the parking lot of a McDonald's and thinking about it. In my case, I'm now convinced, looking back on my life, that growing up gay in a religious environmenthttps://www.joshuakennon.com/personal-message-thanks-throwback-thursday-gift-unaware-married/ forced me to fundamentally trust my own judgment about the judgment of even authority figures; to learn to listen to my heart and say, "I don't care how popular an opinion is, it is still wrong." It as like a muscle that developed; a skill set that, once no longer necessary was there for me to use at will, applying it to different areas in my life.
It's all so strange. I think economists and policymakers too often ignore the behavioral aspects - at this point, I'm a total convert to the superiority of behavioral economics in explaining a lot of the shortcomings of classical economics - which can be disastrous for certain types of people in a do-it-yourself economy. But I've talked, or types, as it were, long enough.
Verum Seeker
May 30, 2016
Is it possible for systematic investors (in ETFs such as SCHD) to tip the scales ever so slightly in their favor by using historical data to adjust purchasing amounts?
Note that I am not talking about selling here, just the adjustment of purchase amounts.
While I am interested in being a valuation investor and have some educational background in the investing space, I am just not confident that I have the time and expertise with GAAP, IRS codes, various industry-specific operational quirks, etc. to win big at valuation investing. But I would still like an edge of some kind.
So, I am wondering if there is a model that, if used with proper discipline, might work?
If one has $1,000/month coming out of payroll deduction and going into a brokerage account and one has approximately $200/month in dividends flowing into that same account, then the question becomes what to do with those funds and when to do it?
If one picks a date in the past (such as 1/1/1960) and draws a trend line for an index (such as the S&P 500 or if the shenanigans [https://www.joshuakennon.com/sp-500s-dirty-little-secret/] with the S&P make it unsuitable then some other index such as the DJIA or Wilshire 5000), then couldn't one choose to put less dry powder to work when the index is above the trend line and more to work when the index is below the trend line? I know that making assumptions about trend lines for individual stocks is dangerous, but it seems like the broader indices must regress to the trend line?
Further, if one applies a bit more mathematical rigor such as... taking that start date above and defining the channel between high point and low point (I suppose an adjustment for inflation is needed there?) and then defining the % of cash that is acceptable to hold at each point on the line between high point and low point, then a model starts to develop that is less capricious?
Let's divide the distance between the top and bottom into 20 equal chunks. For each chunk (5% increment on the scale), one could assign the desired percentage of cash equivalents to hold while waiting for better entry points.
With a perfectly inverse relationship, at the low point on the scale one would want 0% cash (understanding that the low point could still be broken to create a new even lower point). And at the high point on the scale, one would want 100% cash (understanding that the high point could still be broken through creating a new even higher point). But the perfect inverse seems too extreme?
Instead, what if one defined the acceptable level of cash to hold at the high point to be 25% cash equivalents. And the acceptable level of cash to hold at the midpoint of the scale between high and low to be 0% cash?? So, for each chunk (5% increment on the scale) above the midpoint one would hold onto an additional 2.5% of cash with a maximum of 25% cash and 75% ETF.
With this approach one would be all-in anytime the index is at or below the midpoint, immediately investing all funds as soon as they become available. (Obviously, this gives up some potential gains by not waiting for purchases at even lower points but avoids the unwinnable position of trying to time the exact bottom). While letting some percentage of cash accumulate if the index is above the mid-point while waiting for a better entry point.
Since there is money flowing in each month then even if the tracking index shoots up to all-time highs and stays there for years, the formula still requires putting money into the ETF to maintain the never-more-than 25% cash model.
There is no decision about when to buy or sell. Because it is totally formulaic, it does not feel like market timing to me, but perhaps I am just deluding myself?
Would love to hear your thoughts about this approach.
* I am assuming no transaction costs as my broker has waived transaction costs.
parmenidis
August 16, 2017
Joshua Kennon you are good!!!
Kuldeep Sharma
January 9, 2018
Too Good!..
Keep Going Man!..